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AI, ISO 42001, and You (Part 1)

This series contains general information and is neither formal nor legal advice. Readers and organisations must make their own assessment as to the suitability of referred standards and this material for their specific business needs.

Introduction

The new ISO 42001:2023 framework is an Artificial Intelligence (AI) Management System for your organisation, similar to, for instance, ISO 9001 (Quality Control) and ISO 27001 (Information Security).

In this three part series we will cover background information regarding AI (part 1), matters to consider when looking at developing (part 2), using or offering AI in your organisation, and how ISO 42001 can help you with this in a responsible manner (part 3).

We do this from the perspective of Governance, Risk and Compliance (GRC) as that is our specific area of expertise in this matter, and it is also what ISO 42001:2023 is all about.

Machine Learning vs Artificial Intelligence

It is important to appreciate what Artificial Intelligence (AI) is, and what it is not.

Many applications of what is currently advertised as AI, are actually “simply” Machine Learning (ML). That is not technically incorrect, as ML is a subfield of AI, but nevertheless it is good to understand the distinction.

Machine Learning

Machine Learning is also known under the term “Predictive Analytics”, which may better describe what it is: a program that uses ML-analysed data in order to make predictions about future data in the same or an adjacent field. The intent is that as more data comes in, the predictions become better (more accurate).

An example of this is the predictive text feature on mobile phones: given word B following word A, the system has a shortlist of probable words C following “A B” of which some are more likely than others (ideally based on your choices from the past), and the three most likely ones are the ones shown to you. So basically, it is about statistics: some possibilities are more likely than others – as more data is processed over time, the statistics change and thus the possibilities do as well. Unfortunately, the presented choices are often based on collective past selections stored in the cloud rather than your personal history, which means the predictive choices you get are often less than useful, but the basic idea is sound – if only it were implemented locally on your phone rather than cloud based, which is easily feasible.

Another example is a web store making suggestions as to what products you might be interested in, based on your cart and prior purchases correlated with other people’s purchases. This can even be as specific as making different suggestions based on season, time of year, or day of the week.

These are simple examples, and if you were to ask a programmer, they would not even regard them as ML.

Since the modern web and progressions in storage capacity and cost efficiency have enabled the use of larger datasets, Machine Learning has been widely used for many years (big data analytics).

Artificial Intelligence

The ultimate goal of AI is to mimic the intelligence of humans. It generally focuses on specific aspects of human intellect and even specialities within that, because the topic as a whole is obviously very complex and as yet unsolved. Below are a few of the sub-categories of AI.

AI, ISO42001, and YOU | Sekuro
  • Reasoning and problem solving: complex and computationally expensive, this aspect is as yet not nearly as far developed as some would like you to believe.
  • Knowledge engineering: current research and practical applications include, for instance, clinical decision support.
  • Planning and decision making: this is a big one, and essentially taking ML a step further: based on the available information, having the program make a decision without intervention from a human. Desirable by many governments, big organisations and startups, but also fraught with potential pitfalls. The dataset is only as good as its input, so if you take out the human factor and/or other checks, the results can be highly detrimental to individuals, groups of people that happen to not neatly fit within the boundaries of the dataset, or even broader society.
  • Learning: whereas planning and decision making could work using a static dataset, an ongoing learning process could enable it to adapt to future changes. Mind that this does not necessarily remove the pitfalls, and in fact it also creates a few new ones.
  • Natural language processing (NLP): as part of large language models and generative AI, this is currently a major field of research and new commerce. Here too be dragons.
  • Perception: speech recognition could feed into natural language processing, which is of course what drives the various mobile and home assistants. Another use is facial recognition, which has been picked up by educational facilities for proctoring remote exams, and by governments to identify and track people on the street.

Large Language Models

The big news in recent years are Large Language Models (LLMs), such as OpenAI’s GPT or Meta’s Llama, designed to deliver most of the capabilities listed above. These systems can maintain and use context over long text passages or conversations, but also offer generative functions: they can create new text based on the input they receive. In addition, LLMs can be multilingual, as well as fine-tuned for specialised tasks. That is all pretty impressive, and it is no wonder that individuals and companies alike have jumped into this new world to see how it can help them.

Even as an experienced programmer, I have found that having what is essentially a fairly human conversation with a system like ChatGPT is pretty awesome, and in some cases, it could be all too easy to forget that you are in fact ‘talking with’ a computer program. While it is not terribly difficult to ‘trip up’, e.g. find out whether the other end of the conversation is a human or a computer, it isn’t bad at all.

Even the answers these systems provide tend to mostly be correct, provided the question was phrased properly and the operator (you!) critically reviews the output. In some cases, a further inquiry is required to clarify some aspects. Thus, we have gone from the need to be skilled in working with index cards in a library, to putting the best keywords into whichever flavour of search engine, to now phrasing questions (called prompts) to LLMs. In other words, a user still needs to have skill to use the system effectively and appropriately. Some early birds actually made it their business to write LLM prompts for others, and they are still around.

We have gone from the need to be skilled in working with index cards in a library, to putting the best keywords into whichever flavour of search engine, to now phrasing questions (called prompts) to LLMs. In other words, a user still needs to have skill to use the system effectively and appropriately.

AI Washing

AI, ISO 42001, and You (Part 1)

‘AI washing’ is a new term, akin to ‘greenwashing’. AI washing refers to the misapplication of AI buzzwords like ‘machine learning’, ‘neural networks’, and ‘natural language processing’. In the same way that not all ML should be marketed as AI, putting an AI label on everything is not appropriate – doing so might even be regarded as misleading to (prospective) clients and investors. Marketing is about presenting a capability (of an organisation or product) in the best possible light, and to remain ethical it should never go beyond that.

In March 2024, the US Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) charged two investment advisers with making false and misleading statements – the cases were settled with the companies paying several hundreds of thousands of dollars in civil penalties.

In part 2 of this series, we will look at some of the opportunities and challenges that AI brings.

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Arjen Lentz

Senior Consultant (Governance, Risk, Compliance), Sekuro

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Aidan Tudehope

Co-Founder of Macquarie Technology

Aidan Tudehope, Co-Founder of Macquarie Technology

Aidan is co-founder of Macquarie Telecom and has been a director since 1992. He is the Managing Director of Macquarie Government & Hosting Group with a focus on business growth, cyber security and customer satisfaction. 

Aidan has been responsible for the strategy and execution of the investment in Intellicentre 4 & 5 Bunkers, Macquarie Government’s own purpose-built Canberra data centre campus. This facility is leveraged to deliver Secure Cloud Services and Secure Internet Gateway.

With a unique pan-government view on the cyber security landscape, we are invested in leading the contribution from the Australian industry on all matters Cyber policy related.

Aidan holds a Bachelor of Commerce Degree.

James Ng

CISO, Insignia Financial

James Ng, CISO, Insignia Financial

James is a leader with a range of experience across various cyber security, technology risk and audit domains, bringing a global lens across a diverse background in financial services, telecommunications, entertainment, consulting and FMCG (Fast Moving Consumer Goods). He is currently the General Manager – Cyber Security at Insignia Financial and most recently was at AARNet (Australia’s Academic and Research Network) where he oversaw a managed Security Operations Centre (SOC) capability for Australian universities. Prior to this James was the acting Chief Information Security Officer for Belong and led the cyber governance and risk team at Telstra.

Noel Allnutt

CEO, Sekuro

Noel Allnutt CEO | Sekuro

Noel is a driven and award-winning IT leader. He has a passion for developing great teams and accelerating client innovation, and in enabling organisations to create a secure and sustainable competitive advantage in the digital economy. Noel also hosts the ‘Building Resilience Podcast,’ which explores the world of sport and deconstructs the tools and ethos of world-class athletes that can help create growth and optimise business and life.

Audrey Jacquemart

Bid Manager, Sekuro

Audrey Jacquemart, Bid Manager, Sekuro

Audrey is an innovative cybersecurity professional with a versatile profile spanning across Product Management, Presales and Delivery. She has worked within organisations from start-ups to large international organisations in Europe and APAC before joining Sekuro.

Nicolas Brahim

Principal Consultant, CRP and OT

Nicolas Brahim, Principal Consultant, CRP and OT

Nico leads Sekuro’s Cyber Resilience Program and OT Cybersecurity, ensuring continuous support and effective program execution for our clients. With over a decade in the security industry, including the creation and leadership of several Security Programs for IT and OT across Australia, New Zealand, Argentina, Chile and the US, his core philosophy emphasises an equal balance of people, process, and technology in delivering actionable and simple solutions.

Trent Jerome

Chief Financial Officer, Sekuro

Trent Jerome

Trent is a seasoned CFO with over 30 years’ experience in Finance. Trent has broad experiences across Capital raises, debt financing, M&A and business transformation. He is a CPA and member of AICD. Trent works with Boards around risk and risk mitigation plans and assists Boards in navigating the risk mitigation versus cost conversation.

Ada Guan

CEO and Board Director, Rich Data Co

Ada Guan, CEO and Board Director, Rich Data Co

Ada is the CEO and Co-founder of Rich Data Co (RDC). RDC AI Decisioning platform provides banks the ability to make high-quality business and commercial lending decisions efficiently and safely. With over 20 years of global experience in financial services, software, and retail industries, Ada is passionate about driving financial inclusion at a global scale.

Before launching RDC in 2016, Ada led a Global Client Advisor team at Oracle Corporation, where she advised Board and C-level executives in some of the largest banks globally on digital disruption and fintech strategy. She also drove Oracle’s thought leadership in banking digital transformation for Global Key Accounts. Previously, Ada implemented a multi-million dollar program to deliver a mission-critical services layer for Westpac Bank in Australia and formulated the IT strategy that was the basis of an $800m investment program to transform Westpac’s Product and Operation division and complete the merger with St. George Bank. Ada is an INSEAD certified international director and holds an EMBA from the Australia Graduate School of Management, and a Master of Computer Engineering from the University of New South Wales, Australia. She also graduated from the Executive Insight Program at Michigan University Ross Business School and IESE Business School.

Megan Motto

Chief Executive Officer, Governance Institute of Australia

Megan Motto, CEO, Governance Institute of Australia

Megan Motto is Chief Executive Officer of Governance Institute of Australia, a national education provider, professional association and leading authority on governance and risk management. The Institute advocates on behalf of professionals from the listed, unlisted, public and not-for profit sectors.

Megan has over 25 years of experience with large associations, as a former CEO of Consult Australia, as well as holding significant positions in Australia’s built environment sector and business chambers.

She is currently a director of Standards Australia, a member of the ASIC Corporate Governance Consultative Panel and a councillor of the Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry (ACCI) where she chairs the Data, Digital and Cyber Security Forum.

Megan’s expertise spans governance, risk management, public policy and education. She holds a Bachelor of Arts/Bachelor of Education, a Masters of Communication Management and a Graduate Diploma of Corporate Governance and Risk Management. She is a Fellow of the Governance Institute of Australia, the Chartered Governance Institute and the Australian Institute of Company Directors and is also a member of Chief Executive Women. Megan is also an Honorary Life Trustee of the Committee for Economic Development of Australia (CEDA) and was a 2014 recipient of the AFR/Westpac 100 Women of Influence.

Shamane Tan

Chief Growth Officer, Sekuro

Shamane Tan, Chief Growth Officer, Sekuro

Sekuro’s Chief Growth Officer, Shamane Tan, is passionate about uniting minds and experiences, excelling in aligning C-Suite and Board members with cyber security imperatives. As the author of “Cyber Risk Leaders,” she unravels executive communication nuances and distils C-Suite expectations. 

Her work extends to “Cyber Mayday and the Day After,” a roadmap for navigating crises by mining the wisdom of C-level executives from around the globe. It’s filled with interviews with managers and leaders who’ve braved the crucible and lived to tell the tale. Her most recent book, “Building a Cyber Resilience: A Cyber Handbook for Executives and Boards,” was featured on Forbes Australia’s top list of books for CEOs. 

Shamane has also founded a transcontinental cyber risk and executive meetup spanning Sydney, Melbourne, Adelaide, Perth, Singapore, the Philippines, and Tokyo, fostering mentorship, women’s empowerment and thought leadership. As a strong advocate for the importance of having a voice and helping others use theirs, Shamane Tan has spoken at TEDx and global conferences, including FS-ISAC, RSA, Silicon Valley, Fortune 500 and ASX companies. 

Recipient of the IFSEC Global Top 20 Cybersecurity Influencer award and named among the 40 under 40 Most Influential Asian-Australians, Shamane leverages her unique fusion of technical prowess and business acumen to help organisations progress on their security maturity journey.

David Gee

David Gee, CIO, CISO, NED, Board Advisor & Author

 

David Gee, CIO, CISO, NED, Board Advisor & Author

David has just retired in July 2024 and is building out his portfolio. He is an Advisor with Bain Advisory Network and also an Advisor to JS Careers (Cyber Recruitment) and Emertel (Software Commercialisation).

He is a seasoned technology executive with significant experience and has over 25 years’ experience in CIO and CISO roles across different industries and countries. At Macquarie Group David served as Global Head Technology, Cyber and Data Risk. Previously was CISO for HSBC Asia Pacific. His career as a CIO spans across multiple industries and geographies including – Metlife, Eli Lilly and Credit Union Australia. He was winner CIO of the Year 2014, at CUA where he successfully completed a significant Transformation of Core Banking, Online and Mobile Banking systems.

David is past Chairman for the FS-ISAC Strategy Committee and awarded Global Leaders Award in 2023 for his contributions to the cyber security industry. A regular conference keynote speaker and 150+ published articles for CIO Australia, Computerworld, iTnews and CSO (Cyber Security), David now writes for Foundry CIO.com and AICD.

His most recent book – the Aspiring CIO & CISO was published in June 2024 and David is writing his second – A Day in the Life of a CISO with a number of CISOs from around the world for 2025.

Naomi Simson

Co-founder, Big Red Group and Former Shark Tank Judge

Naomi Simson, Co-founder, Big Red Group

INTRODUCTION

For 25 years as an entrepreneur, Naomi Simson has been bringing people together whether it’s with her business experience, her speaking or writing. Passionate about small business and local community, Naomi is considered a home grown success story.

Naomi had a corporate career with Apple, KPMG, IBM and Ansett Australia prior to becoming an entrepreneur. She is a prolific blogger, podcaster and business commentator, and appeared as the #RedShark in four seasons of Shark Tank Australia and she appears regularly on ABC The Drum. She is a non-executive director at Big Red Group, Australian Payments Plus, Colonial First State and Weebit Nano, as well as the Cerebral Palsy Research Foundation and the University of Melbourne Business and Economics Faculty.

A true business leader and influencer, with more than 2.7 million LinkedIn followers, Naomi is Australia’s most followed person on the business networking platform. She has four seasons of her podcast ‘Handpicked’, and she has authored two best-selling books Live What You Love, and Ready to Soar, and is sought after speaker.

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For 25 years Naomi has been bringing people together whether it’s with her business experience, her speaking or writing. She is a strong advocate of business owners.

Known as an entrepreneur and business leader; following the growth of RedBalloon which she founded in 2001, Naomi co-founded the Big Red Group (BRG) in 2017.

Naomi had a corporate career with Apple, KPMG, IBM and Ansett Australia prior to becoming an entrepreneur. She is a prolific blogger, podcaster and business commentator, and appeared as the #RedShark in four seasons of Shark Tank Australia. She is a non-executive director at Big Red Group, Australian Payments Plus, Colonial First State and Weebit Nano. As well as the Cerebral Palsy Research Foundation and the University of Melbourne Business and Economics Faculty.

A true business leader and influencer, with more than 2.7 million LinkedIn followers, Naomi is Australia’s most followed person on the business networking platform. She has authored two best-selling books Live What You Love, and Ready to Soar, and is an engaging, humorous and insightful speaker. She has four seasons of her Podcast – Handpicked.

Naomi is relatable across a broad variety of audiences and topics, often drawing on her personal experiences to provide thoughtful and valuable views into topics; including the customer obsession, intentional leadership, growth mindset, personal development. She is a regular panellist on ABC The Drum.

Peter Ngo

Product Line Manager, Global Certifications, Palo Alto Networks

Peter Ngo

Peter leads the Commercial Cloud, Global Certifications organisation at Palo Alto Networks which oversees global cloud security compliance efforts to various frameworks and standards including IRAP, SOC 2, ISO, PCI, C5, ISMAP, and IRAP and more for 25+ cloud products.

He has held many roles over the years covering areas of IT Operations, and Governance, Risk, & Compliance (GRC) for a wide range of industries including technology, insurance, and manufacturing.

Peter holds various security and professional certifications, including the CCSP, CISSP, PCI ISA, CISA, CISM, CDPSE & ISO Lead Auditor, in addition to a Master of Science degree in Information Assurance. 

Jack Cross

CISO, QUT

Jack Cross

Jack Cross is an experienced business leader with expertise in digital technologies and risk management. Through a steadfast commitment to integrating people, processes, and technology, he champions the fight against cyber threats while mitigating organisational risks. 

Over the past 15 years, Jack has navigated diverse leadership roles within the Defence and Education sectors, honing his skills in steering multidisciplinary teams through intricate and sensitive technical landscapes. In addition to this experience, he holds numerous formal qualifications such as: a Master of Systems Engineering (Electronic Warfare); CISSP; and CISM certifications.

Nadene Serman

Global CTO, Infotrack

Nadene Serman

Nadene Serman is a leading IT executive with a proven track record spearheading first-of-its-kind technology and business transformation for some of the most prominent organisations globally and in Australia. As the Global Chief Technology Officer of InfoTrack, she is a key protagonist of innovation as an enabler of InfoTrack’s next stage growth. Her energy, commercial acuity and strategic capability have fueled her success.

Nadene leads with clarity, transparency and urgency, uniting people in complex, multi-layered technology and business execution, and go-to-market transformation and innovation. She tackles and resolves complex and seemingly intractable challenges while building support and collaboration – even in times of crisis. Her people-first, ‘think straight, talk straight’ approach makes her a formidable force.

John Doe

President Great Technology

Cyber Resilience Program | Sekuro

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