The Great Debate | Sekurokon

The Great Debate

In a lively discussion moderated by Sekuro Chief Financial Officer Trent Jerome, experts argued both sides of two statements: 

‘Cyber security is merely a cost centre and not a business enabler; companies should prioritise innovation over security; there’s no clear ROI for cyber investments’, and

‘By 2030, cyber attacks will be the greatest threat to public safety as growing reliance on digital infrastructure exposes critical services like healthcare and utilities to severe vulnerabilities’.

Debating these topics were:

Akash Mittal | Sekuro

Akash Mittal
CISO, Sumitomo Forestry Australia

Jack Cross | Sekuro

Jack Cross
CISO, QUT

Nadene Serman | Sekuro

Nadene Serman
Global CTO, Infotrack

Peter Ngo | Sekuro

Peter Ngo
Product Line Manager, Global Certifications, Palo Alto Networks 

Read on to see the points made by these astute panellists.

Debate Topic #1

‘Cyber security is merely a cost centre and not a business enabler; companies should prioritise innovation over security; there’s no clear ROI for cyber investments’

Before kicking off the debate, Trent acknowledged that cyber security is seen as a necessary evil, and to him, a budget is balanced well when the amount spent on cyber security helps one sleep at night.

Here are the points made by the panellists:

'Cyber security is merely a cost centre and not a business enabler'

For

Against

Cyber security is a protective measure, not a business enabler.

In today’s digital age, data is one of the most valuable assets that a company owns. The cost of a data breach far outweighs the cost of proactive cyber security measures. Hence, cyber security is an investment in risk management, protecting the business against catastrophic losses that could set innovation back many years.

While cyber security can be compared to the brakes of a car enabling you to go faster, nobody really buys a car for the brakes. Nobody really measures the intangible benefits of cyber security. It’s just a protective measure to help manage risk.

Being cyber certified (achieving ISO and other industry accreditations) often expedites the sales cycle for companies as it gives them a competitive advantage in qualifying them for more industry opportunities. This increases the profitability potential. Being cyber secure also mitigates the risks of being breached. So in terms of cost avoidance, investing in cyber security capabilities has a direct positive return.

For

Cyber security is a protective measure, not a business enabler.

While cyber security can be compared to the brakes of a car enabling you to go faster, nobody really buys a car for the brakes. Nobody really measures the intangible benefits of cyber security. It’s just a protective measure to help manage risk.

Against

In today’s digital age, data is one of the most valuable assets that a company owns. The cost of a data breach far outweighs the cost of proactive cyber security measures. Hence, cyber security is an investment in risk management, protecting the business against catastrophic losses that could set innovation back many years.

Being cyber certified (achieving ISO and other industry accreditations) often expedites the sales cycle for companies as it gives them a competitive advantage in qualifying them for more industry opportunities. This increases the profitability potential. Being cyber secure also mitigates the risks of being breached – which, according to IBM’s 2024 report, costs on average UDS 4.88m per incident. So in terms of cost avoidance, investing in cyber security capabilities has a direct positive return.

'Companies should prioritise innovation over security'

For

Against

Cyber security spending this year was 184 billion, a fraction of the 1.7 trillion dollars spent on global R&D investment.

Security builds trust, and customers are more likely to engage with a business if they know their data is safe.

Consumers buy a product or service because it is innovative, not because it has the best cyber security.

Trust also creates and fosters innovation as businesses are more likely to venture into new technologies and markets if they are not fearful of cyber attack.

Trust and safety should be fundamental expectations. We fail as a community if people choose a product/service to consume or engage with due to how safe they are.

For

Cyber security spending this year was 184 billion, a fraction of the 1.7 trillion dollars spent on global R&D investment.

Consumers buy a product or service because it is innovative, not because it has the best cyber security.

Trust and safety should be fundamental expectations. We fail as a community if people choose a product/service to consume or engage with due to how safe they are.

Against

Security builds trust, and customers are more likely to engage with a business if they know their data is safe.

Trust also creates and fosters innovation as businesses are more likely to venture into new technologies and markets if they are not fearful of cyber attack.

'There's no clear ROI for cyber investments'

For

Against

Spending for compliance reasons should not be seen as growth initiatives, but reaction to regulatory pressure (for example Microsoft’s initiative about improving security across their stack).

Investment in cyber security is also an issue of compliance, and non-compliance is quantifiable in the form of regulatory fines.

Stocks of businesses that experience cyber incidents are not being punished by the stock market as the public does not remember or care.

IBM’s breach report indicates the cost of a data breach to be at least 4.8 million per incident. Thus cyber security gives a return on investment via cost avoidance, as opposed to a cost centre.

For

Spending for compliance reasons should not be seen as growth initiatives, but reaction to regulatory pressure (for example Microsoft’s initiative about improving security across their stack).

Stocks of businesses that experience cyber incidents are not being punished by the stock market as the public does not remember or care.

Against

Investment in cyber security is also an issue of compliance, and non-compliance is quantifiable in the form of regulatory fines.

IBM’s breach report indicates the cost of a data breach to be at least 4.8 million per incident. Thus cyber security gives a return on investment via cost avoidance, as opposed to a cost centre.

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Our panellists geared up in boxing gloves, ready to spar ideas in the debate

Debate Topic #2

‘By 2030, cyber attacks will be the greatest threat to public safety as growing reliance on digital infrastructure exposes critical services like healthcare and utilities to severe vulnerabilities’

Trent mused about how unpredictable the actual impact of tech innovation on society can be, recalling how his own university lecturer was convinced that accountants would be made redundant by technology – a prediction that continues to be wrong thirty years later.

Here are the points arguing in favour of and against this thought exercise:

For

Against

Technology tends to be overestimated in the initial stages, but underestimated over its lifetime. In the case of AI, it was first predicted to solve the world, but it doesn’t. It does however start to permeate every aspect of life.

Cyber attacks are a threat, but so are other concerns that demand equal attention, from climate change, to geopolitical instability, and even biological pandemics.

As AI becomes more intrinsic to our way of life, the risks of cyber attacks also increase and become a crucial part of all other threats, including natural disasters and conflicts.

Meanwhile, as cyber threats continue to rise, cyber security measures are improving alongside.

Three of the top four risks highlighted by the World Economic Forum Global Risk Report are concerning public safety risk related to cyber security issues, one being misinformation and disinformation.

Information security threats exist, but would not be even in the top three of global threats. Physical security threats are limited geographically; digital connections can be severed very quickly, so threat information can be taken down.

The increasing use of Internet of Things in digital infrastructure and manufacturing within public services also compounds the consequences of disruption by cyber attack, especially if essential services are affected.

Redundancies are also built in to help manage threats.

Unlike natural disasters, which are geographically contained, cyber attacks can go beyond the boundaries of nations.

Meanwhile, other threats like climate change continue to be more pressing.

For

Technology tends to be overestimated in the initial stages, but underestimated over its lifetime. In the case of AI, it was first predicted to solve the world, but it doesn’t. It does however start to permeate every aspect of life.

As AI becomes more intrinsic to our way of life, the risks of cyber attacks also increase and become a crucial part of all other threats, including natural disasters and conflicts.

Three of the top four risks highlighted by the World Economic Forum Global Risk Report are concerning public safety risk related to cyber security issues, one being misinformation and disinformation.

The increasing use of Internet of Things in digital infrastructure and manufacturing within public services also compounds the consequences of disruption by cyber attack, especially if essential services are affected.

Unlike natural disasters, which are geographically contained, cyber attacks can go beyond the boundaries of nations.

Against

Cyber attacks are a threat, but so are other concerns that demand equal attention, from climate change, to geopolitical instability, and even biological pandemics.

Meanwhile, as cyber threats continue to rise, cyber security measures are improving alongside.

Information security threats exist, but would not be even in the top three of global threats. Physical security threats are limited geographically; digital connections can be severed very quickly, so threat information can be taken down.

Redundancies are also built in to help manage threats.

Meanwhile, other threats like climate change continue to be more pressing.

Both teams brought their A-game with persuasive, thought-provoking arguments. In the end, the “Against” panel earned the audience’s vote, concluding the debate on a lively and positive note.

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The "Against" panel emerged victorious

Watch the full debate below and stay tuned for more excerpts from Sekurokon 2024.

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Aidan Tudehope

Co-Founder of Macquarie Technology

Aidan Tudehope, Co-Founder of Macquarie Technology

Aidan is co-founder of Macquarie Telecom and has been a director since 1992. He is the Managing Director of Macquarie Government & Hosting Group with a focus on business growth, cyber security and customer satisfaction. 

Aidan has been responsible for the strategy and execution of the investment in Intellicentre 4 & 5 Bunkers, Macquarie Government’s own purpose-built Canberra data centre campus. This facility is leveraged to deliver Secure Cloud Services and Secure Internet Gateway.

With a unique pan-government view on the cyber security landscape, we are invested in leading the contribution from the Australian industry on all matters Cyber policy related.

Aidan holds a Bachelor of Commerce Degree.

James Ng

CISO, Insignia Financial

James Ng, CISO, Insignia Financial

James is a leader with a range of experience across various cyber security, technology risk and audit domains, bringing a global lens across a diverse background in financial services, telecommunications, entertainment, consulting and FMCG (Fast Moving Consumer Goods). He is currently the General Manager – Cyber Security at Insignia Financial and most recently was at AARNet (Australia’s Academic and Research Network) where he oversaw a managed Security Operations Centre (SOC) capability for Australian universities. Prior to this James was the acting Chief Information Security Officer for Belong and led the cyber governance and risk team at Telstra.

Noel Allnutt

CEO, Sekuro

Noel Allnutt CEO | Sekuro

Noel is a driven and award-winning IT leader. He has a passion for developing great teams and accelerating client innovation, and in enabling organisations to create a secure and sustainable competitive advantage in the digital economy. Noel also hosts the ‘Building Resilience Podcast,’ which explores the world of sport and deconstructs the tools and ethos of world-class athletes that can help create growth and optimise business and life.

Audrey Jacquemart

Bid Manager, Sekuro

Audrey Jacquemart, Bid Manager, Sekuro

Audrey is an innovative cybersecurity professional with a versatile profile spanning across Product Management, Presales and Delivery. She has worked within organisations from start-ups to large international organisations in Europe and APAC before joining Sekuro.

Nicolas Brahim

Principal Consultant, CRP and OT

Nicolas Brahim, Principal Consultant, CRP and OT

Nico leads Sekuro’s Cyber Resilience Program and OT Cybersecurity, ensuring continuous support and effective program execution for our clients. With over a decade in the security industry, including the creation and leadership of several Security Programs for IT and OT across Australia, New Zealand, Argentina, Chile and the US, his core philosophy emphasises an equal balance of people, process, and technology in delivering actionable and simple solutions.

Trent Jerome

Chief Financial Officer, Sekuro

Trent Jerome

Trent is a seasoned CFO with over 30 years’ experience in Finance. Trent has broad experiences across Capital raises, debt financing, M&A and business transformation. He is a CPA and member of AICD. Trent works with Boards around risk and risk mitigation plans and assists Boards in navigating the risk mitigation versus cost conversation.

Ada Guan

CEO and Board Director, Rich Data Co

Ada Guan, CEO and Board Director, Rich Data Co

Ada is the CEO and Co-founder of Rich Data Co (RDC). RDC AI Decisioning platform provides banks the ability to make high-quality business and commercial lending decisions efficiently and safely. With over 20 years of global experience in financial services, software, and retail industries, Ada is passionate about driving financial inclusion at a global scale.

Before launching RDC in 2016, Ada led a Global Client Advisor team at Oracle Corporation, where she advised Board and C-level executives in some of the largest banks globally on digital disruption and fintech strategy. She also drove Oracle’s thought leadership in banking digital transformation for Global Key Accounts. Previously, Ada implemented a multi-million dollar program to deliver a mission-critical services layer for Westpac Bank in Australia and formulated the IT strategy that was the basis of an $800m investment program to transform Westpac’s Product and Operation division and complete the merger with St. George Bank. Ada is an INSEAD certified international director and holds an EMBA from the Australia Graduate School of Management, and a Master of Computer Engineering from the University of New South Wales, Australia. She also graduated from the Executive Insight Program at Michigan University Ross Business School and IESE Business School.

Megan Motto

Chief Executive Officer, Governance Institute of Australia

Megan Motto, CEO, Governance Institute of Australia

Megan Motto is Chief Executive Officer of Governance Institute of Australia, a national education provider, professional association and leading authority on governance and risk management. The Institute advocates on behalf of professionals from the listed, unlisted, public and not-for profit sectors.

Megan has over 25 years of experience with large associations, as a former CEO of Consult Australia, as well as holding significant positions in Australia’s built environment sector and business chambers.

She is currently a director of Standards Australia, a member of the ASIC Corporate Governance Consultative Panel and a councillor of the Australian Chamber of Commerce and Industry (ACCI) where she chairs the Data, Digital and Cyber Security Forum.

Megan’s expertise spans governance, risk management, public policy and education. She holds a Bachelor of Arts/Bachelor of Education, a Masters of Communication Management and a Graduate Diploma of Corporate Governance and Risk Management. She is a Fellow of the Governance Institute of Australia, the Chartered Governance Institute and the Australian Institute of Company Directors and is also a member of Chief Executive Women. Megan is also an Honorary Life Trustee of the Committee for Economic Development of Australia (CEDA) and was a 2014 recipient of the AFR/Westpac 100 Women of Influence.

Shamane Tan

Chief Growth Officer, Sekuro

Shamane Tan, Chief Growth Officer, Sekuro

Sekuro’s Chief Growth Officer, Shamane Tan, is passionate about uniting minds and experiences, excelling in aligning C-Suite and Board members with cyber security imperatives. As the author of “Cyber Risk Leaders,” she unravels executive communication nuances and distils C-Suite expectations. 

Her work extends to “Cyber Mayday and the Day After,” a roadmap for navigating crises by mining the wisdom of C-level executives from around the globe. It’s filled with interviews with managers and leaders who’ve braved the crucible and lived to tell the tale. Her most recent book, “Building a Cyber Resilience: A Cyber Handbook for Executives and Boards,” was featured on Forbes Australia’s top list of books for CEOs. 

Shamane has also founded a transcontinental cyber risk and executive meetup spanning Sydney, Melbourne, Adelaide, Perth, Singapore, the Philippines, and Tokyo, fostering mentorship, women’s empowerment and thought leadership. As a strong advocate for the importance of having a voice and helping others use theirs, Shamane Tan has spoken at TEDx and global conferences, including FS-ISAC, RSA, Silicon Valley, Fortune 500 and ASX companies. 

Recipient of the IFSEC Global Top 20 Cybersecurity Influencer award and named among the 40 under 40 Most Influential Asian-Australians, Shamane leverages her unique fusion of technical prowess and business acumen to help organisations progress on their security maturity journey.

David Gee

David Gee, CIO, CISO, NED, Board Advisor & Author

 

David Gee, CIO, CISO, NED, Board Advisor & Author

David has just retired in July 2024 and is building out his portfolio. He is an Advisor with Bain Advisory Network and also an Advisor to JS Careers (Cyber Recruitment) and Emertel (Software Commercialisation).

He is a seasoned technology executive with significant experience and has over 25 years’ experience in CIO and CISO roles across different industries and countries. At Macquarie Group David served as Global Head Technology, Cyber and Data Risk. Previously was CISO for HSBC Asia Pacific. His career as a CIO spans across multiple industries and geographies including – Metlife, Eli Lilly and Credit Union Australia. He was winner CIO of the Year 2014, at CUA where he successfully completed a significant Transformation of Core Banking, Online and Mobile Banking systems.

David is past Chairman for the FS-ISAC Strategy Committee and awarded Global Leaders Award in 2023 for his contributions to the cyber security industry. A regular conference keynote speaker and 150+ published articles for CIO Australia, Computerworld, iTnews and CSO (Cyber Security), David now writes for Foundry CIO.com and AICD.

His most recent book – the Aspiring CIO & CISO was published in June 2024 and David is writing his second – A Day in the Life of a CISO with a number of CISOs from around the world for 2025.

Naomi Simson

Co-founder, Big Red Group and Former Shark Tank Judge

Naomi Simson, Co-founder, Big Red Group

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For 25 years as an entrepreneur, Naomi Simson has been bringing people together whether it’s with her business experience, her speaking or writing. Passionate about small business and local community, Naomi is considered a home grown success story.

Naomi had a corporate career with Apple, KPMG, IBM and Ansett Australia prior to becoming an entrepreneur. She is a prolific blogger, podcaster and business commentator, and appeared as the #RedShark in four seasons of Shark Tank Australia and she appears regularly on ABC The Drum. She is a non-executive director at Big Red Group, Australian Payments Plus, Colonial First State and Weebit Nano, as well as the Cerebral Palsy Research Foundation and the University of Melbourne Business and Economics Faculty.

A true business leader and influencer, with more than 2.7 million LinkedIn followers, Naomi is Australia’s most followed person on the business networking platform. She has four seasons of her podcast ‘Handpicked’, and she has authored two best-selling books Live What You Love, and Ready to Soar, and is sought after speaker.

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For 25 years Naomi has been bringing people together whether it’s with her business experience, her speaking or writing. She is a strong advocate of business owners.

Known as an entrepreneur and business leader; following the growth of RedBalloon which she founded in 2001, Naomi co-founded the Big Red Group (BRG) in 2017.

Naomi had a corporate career with Apple, KPMG, IBM and Ansett Australia prior to becoming an entrepreneur. She is a prolific blogger, podcaster and business commentator, and appeared as the #RedShark in four seasons of Shark Tank Australia. She is a non-executive director at Big Red Group, Australian Payments Plus, Colonial First State and Weebit Nano. As well as the Cerebral Palsy Research Foundation and the University of Melbourne Business and Economics Faculty.

A true business leader and influencer, with more than 2.7 million LinkedIn followers, Naomi is Australia’s most followed person on the business networking platform. She has authored two best-selling books Live What You Love, and Ready to Soar, and is an engaging, humorous and insightful speaker. She has four seasons of her Podcast – Handpicked.

Naomi is relatable across a broad variety of audiences and topics, often drawing on her personal experiences to provide thoughtful and valuable views into topics; including the customer obsession, intentional leadership, growth mindset, personal development. She is a regular panellist on ABC The Drum.

Peter Ngo

Product Line Manager, Global Certifications, Palo Alto Networks

Peter Ngo | Sekuro

Peter leads the Commercial Cloud, Global Certifications organisation at Palo Alto Networks which oversees global cloud security compliance efforts to various frameworks and standards including IRAP, SOC 2, ISO, PCI, C5, ISMAP, and IRAP and more for 25+ cloud products.

He has held many roles over the years covering areas of IT Operations, and Governance, Risk, & Compliance (GRC) for a wide range of industries including technology, insurance, and manufacturing.

Peter holds various security and professional certifications, including the CCSP, CISSP, PCI ISA, CISA, CISM, CDPSE & ISO Lead Auditor, in addition to a Master of Science degree in Information Assurance. 

Jack Cross

CISO, QUT

Jack Cross | Sekuro

Jack Cross is an experienced business leader with expertise in digital technologies and risk management. Through a steadfast commitment to integrating people, processes, and technology, he champions the fight against cyber threats while mitigating organisational risks. 

Over the past 15 years, Jack has navigated diverse leadership roles within the Defence and Education sectors, honing his skills in steering multidisciplinary teams through intricate and sensitive technical landscapes. In addition to this experience, he holds numerous formal qualifications such as: a Master of Systems Engineering (Electronic Warfare); CISSP; and CISM certifications.

Nadene Serman

Global CTO, Infotrack

Nadene Serman | Sekuro

Nadene Serman is a leading IT executive with a proven track record spearheading first-of-its-kind technology and business transformation for some of the most prominent organisations globally and in Australia. As the Global Chief Technology Officer of InfoTrack, she is a key protagonist of innovation as an enabler of InfoTrack’s next stage growth. Her energy, commercial acuity and strategic capability have fueled her success.

Nadene leads with clarity, transparency and urgency, uniting people in complex, multi-layered technology and business execution, and go-to-market transformation and innovation. She tackles and resolves complex and seemingly intractable challenges while building support and collaboration – even in times of crisis. Her people-first, ‘think straight, talk straight’ approach makes her a formidable force.

John Doe

President Great Technology

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